Author Topic: Torque wrench / Oil change ? (Read 14586 times)

Dave 02 1200 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 04, 2007, 09:23:12 AM »

If you are well-aware of how much torque you apply with your "3-finger" approach and you can apply that amount of torque consistently, then that could be a good method.

However, I think you will be surprised if you actually check yourself.

You can check yourself by turning a wrench against the square drive of a beam-type torque wrench while an assistant reads the scale from the other side. You will not see the scale but your assistant who is holding the torque wrench can see it. Use your "3-finger" approach and ask your assistant what the actual torque values are. If you do this several times, you will get some idea of your level of consistency.

Then, to "recalibrate" your "3 finger" approach, set a click-type torque wrench to the 16.5 ft/lb spec and again use a wrench to turn the square drive until the wrench clicks, indicating that the torque spec has been reached. If you do that now and then, you can recalibrate your feel and improve your consistency.

It was these tests that convinced me to use a torque wrench for any important fastener.

Good luck.

dgc · « **Reply #16 on:** May 17, 2007, 06:45:22 PM »

seems like its worth it to buy the suzuki tool. i wonder if it can be ordered online. myself, if im dealing with a stubborn oil filter i just use large channel locks. and for oil plug, once its pretty tight, an extra 1/4 turn.
does anyone have a P/N for mobile filter? i was condsidering going with their oil this time.

Red01 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 18, 2007, 11:51:54 AM »

The oil filter thread in the FAQ lists a bunch of different brands, sadly, there's nothing there for any of Mobil's filters. You may be able to use those numbers to cross-reference. I couldn't find a Mobil application list on-line, but I didn't look very long either.

You might be interested to read this on m/c oil filters:
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFilters

Mongo · « **Reply #18 on:** May 22, 2007, 04:17:01 PM »

Quote from: "CWO4GUNNER"

Spin-on oil filters are supposed to be hand tight but too hot to remove by hand. I use a large set of channel locks to grab and manipulate the hot filter until loose until I can spin it off with barely touching it with my finger tips. For replacment I just spin it on and barely snug it to prevent leaks for oil re-fill but wait until the engine is cool to hand tighten the new filter.
I have never used a torque wrench on any drain plug but can get most none critical torque wrench requirements very close by feel, like axle nuts, a required skill being an old dirt biker where repairs in the wilderness is a common occurrence withing the group.

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reconstyle85 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 29, 2007, 11:58:18 PM »

I just use a fumoto drain valve...I never have to worry about stripping the drain bolt. And for those of you who are skeptical about using them my dad has used them on his cars/bikes for more than 10 years, and they have been awesome.

I've had one on my bike for about 3 years and never had a problem with it.

It's only about 20 bucks, and makes changing the oil a breeze!

Vlad · « **Reply #20 on:** May 30, 2007, 11:25:53 AM »

My oil draining procedure is a tool-less affair thanks to this valve:

http://fumotovalve.com/

A good and cheaper alternative would be the FRAM SureDrain plug.

As for filters, I buy K&N (built-in nut) or use simple rubber strap tool.

Raphy · « **Reply #21 on:** May 30, 2007, 11:31:21 AM »

Quote from: "vlad"

My oil draining procedure is a tool-less affair thanks to this valve:

http://fumotovalve.com/

A good and cheaper alternative would be the FRAM SureDrain plug.

As for filters, I buy K&N (built-in nut) or use simple rubber strap tool.

Vlad - that's a great idea... i had quite the struggle last time getting the crush ring out of the drain bolt... (i had to cut the ring)... so this would make the process soooooo much easier..

Any ideas which one fits the Bandits.??

Vlad · « **Reply #22 on:** May 30, 2007, 11:48:57 AM »

Quote from: Raphy

Any ideas which one fits the Bandits.??

Part#: F-111 (without a nipple) or F-111N (with a nipple)
Thread dimensions: 14mm-1.25

You can find other details on it in this thread:

http://forums.banditalley.net/viewtopic.php?t=3315&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Bottom line, I'd recommend FRAM SureDrain. Considerably cheaper, available in Canada (Canadian Tire used to have them, I haven't checked recently) and easier to install. You just have to take care not to loose the hose part and the cap.

Raphy · « **Reply #23 on:** May 30, 2007, 11:50:05 AM »

THanks - i'll look into both !

Vlad · « **Reply #24 on:** May 30, 2007, 11:52:24 AM »

Quote from: "Raphy"

THanks - i'll look into both !

You can see my valve tonight if you are coming to the Spring Bling in Mississauga :).

PaulVS · « **Reply #25 on:** May 31, 2007, 05:56:00 PM »

Does the Fram version come in the right size for the Bandit?

Also... has anyone in the USA found a place that sells 'em (cheap)?

Vlad · « **Reply #26 on:** May 31, 2007, 11:31:17 PM »

Quote from: "PaulVS"

Does the Fram version come in the right size for the Bandit?

Also... has anyone in the USA found a place that sells 'em (cheap)?

I think it does if my memory serves me wright. The dimensions are metric though (14mm-1.25), so it may be little harder to find in the "thumb of a late king" land :).

PaulVS · « **Reply #27 on:** June 02, 2007, 01:58:19 AM »

Quote from: "vlad"

so it may be little harder to find in the "thumb of a late king" land :).

Well hell ya good golly.... wez 'mericans is only driving the vehicles with the good ol' sae standard doncha know. Ain't advanced like yous canucks up der.

Red01 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 04, 2007, 09:34:15 AM »

Quote from: "PaulVS"

Does the Fram version come in the right size for the Bandit?

Also... has anyone in the USA found a place that sells 'em (cheap)?

Fram has a version for the Bandit, but I wouldn't use it after reading all the bad press it gets over the Net. See the oil filter thread in the FAQ.

Vlad · « **Reply #29 on:** June 04, 2007, 12:53:09 PM »

Quote from: "Red01"

Quote from: "PaulVS"
Does the Fram version come in the right size for the Bandit?

Also... has anyone in the USA found a place that sells 'em (cheap)?

Fram has a version for the Bandit, but I wouldn't use it after reading all the bad press it gets over the Net. See the oil filter thread in the FAQ.

FRAM filters do have a very bad reputation and I agree they are to be avoided. However, this valve has nothing to do with their filters. It's cheap (about $15), easy to install and from I could see quite secure. It definitely won't damage the bike in any way and you can always put the old plug back if you don't like it for reasons that are beyond me.

BTW, while we are on oil change/filter/plug topic, check out this magnetic stuff. It shouldn't hurt any, and you can make your own out of old hard drive magnets. Canadian Tire sells something similar (a star shaped magnetic cap that is just put on the top of the filter for $25):

http://www.synlube.com/magnets.htm
http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/10169282/S_N_POWER_Auto_Magnetic_Oil_Filters.html

And another link with interesting oil info:

http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html

Author Topic: Torque wrench / Oil change ? (Read 14586 times)

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