Author Topic: Getting Suzuki to bring the 2007 GSF1250 to the USA? (Read 13616 times)

CWO4GUNNER · « **Reply #45 on:** October 22, 2006, 12:45:59 AM »

Well my final feelings on this new generation X bandit is that although it seems great I don’t like the reflective metallic stamped out engine look. I much prefer the 1st & 2nd Gen dark engine and fins. Besides the 2nd Gen Bandits were the final and best culmination of improvements on a tried and tested model with a great race heritage oil/air cooled engine (a classic) that they could no longer find room to improve. So now you have a completely new untested bike that they have named and badged Bandit. Sort of reminds me of the new cars they call Malibu and Duster after the great originals. Well that just my opinion, but I think they should have called it the Blue Injector or the Water Wing.

Rocketjock · « **Reply #46 on:** October 22, 2006, 12:05:53 PM »

Quote from: CWO4GUNNER

Well my final feelings on this new generation X bandit is that although it seems great I don’t like the reflective metallic stamped out engine look. I much prefer the 1st & 2nd Gen dark engine and fins. Besides the 2nd Gen Bandits were the final and best culmination of improvements on a tried and tested model with a great race heritage oil/air cooled engine (a classic) that they could no longer find room to improve. So now you have a completely new untested bike that they have named and badged Bandit. Sort of reminds me of the new cars they call Malibu and Duster after the great originals. Well that just my opinion, but I think they should have called it the Blue Injector or the Water Wing.

Ditto. What he said.

Desolation Angel · « **Reply #47 on:** October 23, 2006, 09:21:22 AM »

picky picky picky

kevinfromrex · « **Reply #48 on:** November 01, 2006, 10:09:36 AM »

I have looked and read and I dont want a bike that weighs 505 dry and what 550 wet???
No thanks. Its not heavy, its way too heavy and its 9 grand, I think they could have used some better lighter components for the money.
Ill ride an old Bandit.

banditnek · « **Reply #49 on:** November 01, 2006, 11:06:46 AM »

I like the look of the new 1250. I don't think it's a big step up from the old Bandits. I can't see paying out that much money for a new bike. I love the FJR but I can't afford $13,500 for a new one. Think I will keep my '97 1200s for a while longer. I need to upgrade the suspension and it will almost be my perfect bike. I have a Givi setup W/ 2 had bags,I can carry one or both bags. I have the Corbin w/ the backrest. A cheap Garmin w/ mount for directions. The old Bandit makes a good Sport Tourer set up this way. The best part is it's paid for and I know my the bike well.

Bob Holland · « **Reply #50 on:** November 02, 2006, 03:10:10 PM »

• All new, liquid-cooled, fuel injected, DOHC engine featuring a bore and stroke of 79.0mm x 64.0mm for a full 1254.8cc's of torque producing performance

• New Suzuki Dual Throttle Valve fuel injection system featuring 36mm throttle bodies for optimum performance and smooth accelerations

• All new engine compact engine design with a central cam chain, staggered transmission shafts, tighter spacing between the pairs of cylinders and a secondary balancer shaft for reduced vibration

• A new catalyzer equipped high volume muffler combined with an effective engine management system, Suzuki PAIR system, and oxygen sensor for reduced emissions meeting tough Euro 3 standards

• Suzuki Idle Speed Control (ISC) system for improved cold starting, consistent idle control and reduced emissions

• A new slick shifting six speed transmission improves acceleration while reducing top gear rpm at highway speeds

• New hydraulic clutch with coil springs for improved lever feel and control

• New liquid cooled oil cooler for reduced oil temperatures

• All new cylinder head featuring 31mm exhaust valves and 27mm intake valves set at a narrow 16 degree valve angle with updated intake and exhaust ports for maximum flow

Swamp Rat · « **Reply #51 on:** November 02, 2006, 04:52:50 PM »

Maybe I didn't calculate it very well...but is the power to weight ratio down or nearly the same from the 2nd Gens? Why the hell would you want that? If it isn't any better why the hell would I want to buy it?

It seems kinda retarded to me to spend that kind of money on a bike that isn't any better.

What the crap is Suzuki thinking over there? And I thought we were the ones with the crack problems. Good to see we apparently export some to the Japanese engineers.

It would figure they couldn't get it right what do you expect when they can't even get their Drz 450 out.

Bob Holland · « **Reply #52 on:** November 02, 2006, 05:02:53 PM »

I more concerned with how much you can do with the engine. Like if GSXR 1100 water cooled cams will work, or what pistons may work. max horsepower looks to be about the same as the 06 B12, but it makes it at a lower RPM. The weight can probably be shed by getting rid of the useless stuff and changing the exhaust.
I wonder why they didn't just use the water cooled gsxr 1100, stroked and bored to 1250 cc.

kevinfromrex · « **Reply #53 on:** November 03, 2006, 08:08:40 AM »

Bob is definately mr suuki performance. I am just surprised you are happy with the new model. I just cant find anything positive to say. Too heavy (I dont think theres much weight you can shed without replacing alot of parts $$$$), same horsepower, which has fallen behind, plain jain cheap fork.
I think Suzuki spent a good deal of money redesigning the engine and the other components you mentioned but missed the mark on the total package. I cant see this bike selling enough to stay around.

Bob Holland · « **Reply #54 on:** November 03, 2006, 09:04:35 AM »

I would have prefered the Busa engine, with 160 horsepower.
If this engine can be built to around 180 rwhp, it will be a good alternitive to the Busa and ZX12/14s at the drag strip, but you are right, if it doesn't catch on with street riders, it wan't last in the U.S.

Bazza · « **Reply #55 on:** November 10, 2006, 07:15:13 PM »

Quote from: "Swamp Rat"

Maybe I didn't calculate it very well...but is the power to weight ratio down or nearly the same from the 2nd Gens? Why the hell would you want that? If it isn't any better why the hell would I want to buy it?

It seems kinda retarded to me to spend that kind of money on a bike that isn't any better.

What the crap is Suzuki thinking over there? And I thought we were the ones with the crack problems. Good to see we apparently export some to the Japanese engineers.

It would figure they couldn't get it right what do you expect when they can't even get their Drz 450 out.

That is the way I read the new B-1250s. Same RWHP (at earlier RPM) loads of new weight, and same old clunky but reinforced waterpipe frame.

As I mentioned in a previous post, I was quoted $10,500.00 for the new ABS B-12, which puts it in the same price range as the 140 hp FZ-1, which has a modern frame, modern chasis, and brakes. Yes the FZ-1 has some mapping problems which I am sure will be ironed out. But I am also sure the new B-12 will have it's problems just like any other new model bike.

Yes, I am sure you will be able to make it go faster, but at $10,500.00, for starters, (I am talking Canadian Prices here BTW), You would end up with a pretty expensive bike that would not come close to the power to weight numbers the FZ-1 puts out. (Priced at $10,500.00 Canadian Bucks)

I do enjoy my 2002 B-12, but the last thing I ever said it needed was an additional 50 lbs of weight.

I know where my money would go....

I am sorry, but I think Zuki is not going to sell a pile of these. The old Bandit was a budget bike, that did have value. I don't see this in the new 1250.

JamieK · « **Reply #56 on:** November 10, 2006, 09:08:40 PM »

I'm sure glad I got my 06 at a nice discount over the 07

banditII · « **Reply #57 on:** November 11, 2006, 05:27:47 PM »

I don't like the look of the new 07 Bandit's engine much. The rest of the bike looks fine. It will be interesting to read any future mag reviews. I'm drooling over the new Ducati 1098. 381 pounds, 160 hp, and beautiful! Wish I had the fifteen grand to buy one.

CWO4GUNNER · « **Reply #58 on:** November 12, 2006, 02:37:06 AM »

I can only speak for my 2005 pricing technical research when I bought a new B12 MSRP was $7,500 and I found a dealer that would sell me one for $6,750 OTD. It was an outstanding price for such a powerful bike with such a great motor, track record and history of reliability and multifunction, even the favorite of Hollywood for use as a stunt bike. It was the best at what it did for the price, the peoples super bike, with so many aftermarket options it could practically be made custom at non-custom prices. The 2007 B12 Waterwing is great but if I am going to spend $9000 to make a jump to a new super bike its not going to be for a baby step , its going to have to be a real leap even if it cost more money like the 2008 Concourse, now that’s one hell of a technologically advanced multifunction superbike that is an upright ride.
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