Author Topic: Eating Words (Read 8091 times)

JamieK · « **on:** July 10, 2007, 09:22:42 PM »

I always said that if Buell put a 'real' engine in their bikes that I would buy one. Well it seems that Erik did just that. After reading everything there was to read and looking at all the pictures I fear that Dreadnought and I will part ways to make room for an XB1125R...I will have to save judgment until some actual ride reviews come out and I can see one in person but so far I like everything about the new Buell.

So I guess I'll eat my words...with a side of salsa (because the 1125R is one spicey dish)

Nitro · « **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:16:07 PM »

Awesome, 82 ft. lbs. torque, 146 HP, 375 lb. dry weight. I hope they put that engine in the Ulysses.

Nitro · « **Reply #2 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:18:17 PM »

You know, I was at the Harley dealer a couple of weeks ago, gonna do a test ride on a Buell. I told the salesman they needed to get a new engine for the Buells. He gave me a little smile and said yeah. I think I know why now.

JamieK · « **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2007, 03:06:28 PM »

Quote from: "Nitro"

Awesome, 82 ft. lbs. torque, 146 HP, 375 lb. dry weight. I hope they put that engine in the Ulysses.

I like the fact that they are not trying to compete with the V2 superbikes and are making it a real world bike. I can tell you how many times my B12 has been WFO on the street...0...on the track and on the dyno is the only place I've used the upper reaches of the tach. So a bike with a huge mid-range is my kind of bike and that is right where this new Buell is tuned...according to the press releases anyway. I'm guessing the rest of the XB lineup will get the new mill/chassis in 09.

Red01 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 11, 2007, 03:21:47 PM »

Quote from: "Nitro"

Awesome, 82 ft. lbs. torque, 146 HP, 375 lb. dry weight. I hope they put that engine in the Ulysses.

+1

I might consider something like that - or a Lightning.

They need to do something... The modified Sporty motor does nuthin for me and I know it holds back a lot of otherwise potential buyers. I just read MCN's long-term update on the Uly they've had for about a year now. The #1 complaint was how it shook parts loose and even shed some of them down on the road. Including the a header pipe stud from the front downpipe. It had shed the nuts to this pipe on several occasions, so they were even keeping an eye on it.

stormi · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:19:53 PM »

We have a friend that had a buell who had to do wheel bearings on it every 5000 miles.

He told me that he went into the HD dealer for wheel bearings, and had the parts guy ask how many miles on the bike. He replied something in the range of 35k miles. To which the parts guy said "Wow! These things sure are built to last!!"

I'm not too fond of this tendency to use the frame a fuel tank - If you had to creme that...? Not to mention the cost involved if it ever needed to be replaced, due to a leak or a collision...

http://www.wheels.ca/article/28510

I've heard of tons and tons of recalls on buells too, so personally, I wouldn't touch one, but to each his own.

JamieK · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:55:52 PM »

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I've heard of tons and tons of recalls on buells too, so personally, I wouldn't touch one, but to each his own.

And Hyundai used to be one of the worst for quality control in cars, now they're close to #1...go figure

I've always liked Buells and now he's gone and taken away the last reason for me not buying one

Bob Holland · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:52:11 PM »

Is it a V twin, and if it is, how many rpms is it turning to get 146 hp and only 82 ft lbs torque?
The picture on the web site sure looks good.

JamieK · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2007, 12:49:39 AM »

It is a short stroke V2 so wouldn't be producing torque numbers like a cruiser. The specs say it has a 10,500 redline but they don't say when max torque or HP occur...82ft/lbs on a 375lb(dry) bike...it's going to pull hard.

B6mick · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:16:22 AM »

Yes all sounds good on paper, yes Mr buell has done some remarkable shyte, but at least in the good old days a buell was a buell, now its just another piece of junk straight out of the good ole boy harldy dangerous factory. Sorry after harley ownership of 20 years, and several years of working at one of the largest harley dealerships down here, no matter how you dress the sucker, its still a efen harley. Fuel tank frame, not a bad idea, but the piddley amount of fuel you can put in it would be pushing shyte up hill to make fuel stops down here, if you want to have just a little fun and get up it. Yep sure does look the goods too, hmmm streetfighter material, but cooked shock from underslung pipe, losing nuts and bolts, outrageous parts prices, and of course the stigma, "he owns one he can afford it" from the stealerships just shytes me to tears.
About the closest I'll get to one is buying a airfix model of one. For the price, and I might add the price aint bad, but F#*# me standing I could buy 4 wrecked jap bikes fix them up and have them on the road for the same price a buell. And after all that work will end up spinning spanners for less time than if I bought a buell. The heart says yes its a cool looking bike, but the head says, ohhh shyte its a harley, remember how you spent more time spinning spanners than riding. hmmm head wins.

aussiebandit · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:43:56 AM »

Quote from: "B6mick"

Fuel tank frame, not a bad idea, but the piddley amount of fuel you can put in it would be pushing shyte up hill to make fuel stops down here, if you want to have just a little fun and get up it.

That in frame fuel maybe a trick idea, but even a small fall of the side stand can cause an insurance company to call it a write off - When 'the treasure' worked for the local HD dealer it happened to one, and very nearly a couple of others....

Buell, looks ugly, is uncomfortable, maybe 'quick' but for the same price there's quicker bikes on the market....

JamieK · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2007, 12:12:51 PM »

Quote from: "aussiebandit"

Quote from: "B6mick"
Fuel tank frame, not a bad idea, but the piddley amount of fuel you can put in it would be pushing shyte up hill to make fuel stops down here, if you want to have just a little fun and get up it.

That in frame fuel maybe a trick idea, but even a small fall of the side stand can cause an insurance company to call it a write off - When 'the treasure' worked for the local HD dealer it happened to one, and very nearly a couple of others....

Buell, looks ugly, is uncomfortable, maybe 'quick' but for the same price there's quicker bikes on the market....

If it was all about quickness, comfort and looks I certainly wouldn't own a Bandit in the first place cuz my B12 falls short in all those categories

dcMinnesota · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2007, 12:32:14 PM »

Quote from: "B6mick"

Fuel tank frame, not a bad idea, but the piddley amount of fuel you can put in it would be pushing shyte up hill to make fuel stops down here, if you want to have just a little fun and get up it.

the 1125r has 5.6 gallons. piddley?

Quote from: "Dreadnought"

It is a short stroke V2 so wouldn't be producing torque numbers like a cruiser. The specs say it has a 10,500 redline but they don't say when max torque or HP occur...82ft/lbs on a 375lb(dry) bike...it's going to pull hard.

they have the bike specs (including dyno numbers) up on the "minisite" you can access from the buell website. torque looks to be even from 3k on. hp peaks at rev limit.
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my brother in law has xb12r firebolt. yeah, the thing shakes under 2k, but man is it fun to ride. he's had it for 2 1/2 years, rides it nearly every day (during the summer) and never had a serious problem with it.

i'll agree that the xb's are not that competitive with the current sportbike market, but so what. and yeah, they are way more expensive for an equal performance big4 sportbike. but the new 1125r powerplant is a great step for buell in getting away from that heavy hd engine they are using. if those side cowlings aren't as ugly as they appear to be, i might consider one.

just my thoughts.

ZenMan · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2007, 12:38:13 PM »

Quote from: "Dreadnought"

If it was all about quickness, comfort and looks I certainly wouldn't own a Bandit in the first place cuz my B12 falls short in all those categories

OUCH!

I've run with a couple Buells on one of our popular weekend twisty roads here, and one thing about them I just love is the sound. That deep, throaty exhaust just shakes ya right to the core, sounds like pure torque. And they do have quite a pull coming out the exits.

This new engine... what degree V is it? Based on a 45 degree(I think) Harley, or like a 90-degree Ducati?

Any pics?

Red01 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 12, 2007, 01:01:41 PM »

This new Buell uses a Rotax V-twin. I'm guessing from the specs, it's a derivitive of the same motor used by Aprilia and Can-Am/Bombardier. Should be a lot smoother than the old pushrod Sporty derived motor.