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JamieK · « **Reply #15 on:** July 12, 2007, 01:54:49 PM »

The V2 is 70degree you can see the new bike at buell.com

Nitro · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2007, 02:32:38 PM »

All the specs are on the Buell website. You know, a couple of weeks ago on the Cycle World site, they had a little story about a rumour of a merger between Harley and Ducati. Makes me wonder if this is a Ducati or Ducati designed engine. It's a modern V twin, such as would be in a sportbike.

Red01 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 12, 2007, 02:42:39 PM »

It's a ROTAX motor - from Austria. They build motors for Aprilia, BMW, Can-Am, CCM & purpose-built flat trackers (4-strokes), the ultra-light market & go-karts (2-strokes) and Bombardier/Ski-Doo... they're a division of Bombardier.

Rotax press release on new Buell engine.

Buell press release on new Rotax powered 1125R.

aussiebandit · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2007, 09:39:01 AM »

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Fuel tank frame, not a bad idea, but the piddley amount of fuel you can put in it would be pushing shyte up hill to make fuel stops down here, if you want to have just a little fun and get up it.

That in frame fuel maybe a trick idea, but even a small fall of the side stand can cause an insurance company to call it a write off - When 'the treasure' worked for the local HD dealer it happened to one, and very nearly a couple of others....

Buell, looks ugly, is uncomfortable, maybe 'quick' but for the same price there's quicker bikes on the market....

If it was all about quickness, comfort and looks I certainly wouldn't own a Bandit in the first place cuz my B12 falls short in all those categories

I've ridden the Buell's before, granted not the latest version, but unless you're well under 178cm and weigh less than 100Kg, I can't possibly see how the 250gp sized bike is going to be more comfortable than a B12. Besides, no where in my post did I compare it to a bandit. If I was going to compare it to anything I'd be more likely to compare it to the TL1000, VTR1000, S4R, Tuono or even the SV1000.

JamieK · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2007, 03:18:16 PM »

Quote from: "aussiebandit"

I've ridden the Buell's before, granted not the latest version, but unless you're well under 178cm and weigh less than 100Kg, I can't possibly see how the 250gp sized bike is going to be more comfortable than a B12. Besides, no where in my post did I compare it to a bandit. If I was going to compare it to anything I'd be more likely to compare it to the TL1000, VTR1000, S4R, Tuono or even the SV1000.

Yep I fit those parameters

OK, OK I did not say you compared it to a Bandit. You did mention that

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Buell, looks ugly, is uncomfortable, maybe 'quick' but for the same price there's quicker bikes on the market....

I'm saying that the first two are subjective comments and the last may not be the determining factor for why some folks buy certain bikes. I bought my B12 because it was relatively inexpensive, handles OK, and has decent power...but it is not a pretty bike, is not the most comfortable bike and is not the quickest bike in its category. It fills my motorcycling 'needs' but not all of my 'wants'. On paper the 1125 fills a lot of my 'wants' but I'll wait until I see it and ride it before I determine if its for me. Until then the B12 is my bike of choice regardless of its inherent shortcomings...

aussiebandit · « **Reply #20 on:** July 16, 2007, 08:48:40 AM »

Given that you fit those parameters then you'll probably really like the Buell. Unfortunately, I'm 178cm and weight a tad over 100kg - and my body just doesn't 'bend' like it used to.

I've got to agree, the B12 is not the best looking, fastest or most comfortable bike, but you I just couldn't go past the price - at least 2 grand cheaper than it's nearest 'naked' competitor.

Ideal bike for me would be a BMW R1200RT - but for 15 grand less then the current asking price downunder....

leedogg · « **Reply #21 on:** July 16, 2007, 04:32:41 PM »

Quote from: "aussiebandit"

Given that you fit those parameters then you'll probably really like the Buell. Unfortunately, I'm 178cm and weight a tad over 100kg - and my body just doesn't 'bend' like it used to.

I've got to agree, the B12 is not the best looking, fastest or most comfortable bike, but you I just couldn't go past the price - at least 2 grand cheaper than it's nearest 'naked' competitor.

Ideal bike for me would be a BMW R1200RT - but for 15 grand less then the current asking price downunder....

100% agree with this comment. And though I maybe don't have the bimmer as my wis...but maybe a FJR type bike- the point remains the same.

I looked at the Buells last year- couldn't see 11 grand for one. I think they are awesome looking bikes and are very interesting- but not at that cost.

orionburn · « **Reply #22 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:44:19 AM »

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one thing about them I just love is the sound. That deep, throaty exhaust just shakes ya right to the core, sounds like pure torque

+1

I remember seeing a Lightning (I think) at the MSF course years ago. Can't remember what pipe he had on it, but dear Lord when he fired that thing up....was absolutely sick. I was a 100% Buell hater until I heard the sound they could make. After that I was only a 60% Buell hater

I'm with Stormi. I don't wish anything bad upon the company and hope they continue to improve their bikes. I for one would wait a few years to see for sure how well they've improved. I do like their bikes, but not in a hurry to own one.

JamieK · « **Reply #23 on:** July 21, 2007, 11:50:14 AM »

I'm wiling to wait at least one model year before I get serious about it...until then I can seriously drool over its potential

stormi · « **Reply #24 on:** July 21, 2007, 12:47:53 PM »

Quote from: "Dreadnought"

I'm wiling to wait at least one model year before I get serious about it...until then I can seriously drool over its potential

A good practice for both vehicles and MS software.

JamieK · « **Reply #25 on:** July 21, 2007, 05:02:22 PM »

Quote from: "stormi"

Quote from: "Dreadnought"
I'm wiling to wait at least one model year before I get serious about it...until then I can seriously drool over its potential

A good practice for both vehicles and MS software.

Don't get me started on MS software...

stormi · « **Reply #26 on:** July 21, 2007, 06:17:11 PM »

LMAO!! I have told clients under no uncertain terms that if they upgrade to Vista before my OK, that they're looking for a new tech. One of them didn't believe me and did it. They're looking for a new tech.

SP1 minimum is what I tell them.

That seems a good practice for Bikes and cars too.

Nitro · « **Reply #27 on:** July 21, 2007, 10:29:17 PM »

Might even be better to wait for Service Pack 3 or 4.

H2RICK · « **Reply #28 on:** July 24, 2007, 02:31:46 AM »

Oh, Oh.....Rotax ??? That'd be a deal breaker for me.
IMHO, the Europeans (BMW excepted) STILL have a lot to learn about how North Americans use their bikes AND how the bikes are expected to last. I had a guy come in the yard about 2 weeks ago looking for a CDI box for a '05 or '06 Aprilia somethingorother. Seems that a lot of them had problems and the CDI's are on back order from Aprilia (and thus Bosch) and he's looking at ~4-6 MONTHS before they show up.
Sounds exactly like the parts supply problems we used to have with Ducati, Ossa, and other European bikes 30 years ago. Plus ca change.....

Of course the Buell MAY have Nippon Denso electrics since HD is now buying so many parts from Japan.....ND, Showa, Nissin, etc etc. In that case, it might not be TOO "dangerous" a purchase.....

....but I, personally, would want to see a HUGE amount of reliability demonstrated before laying out the kind of coin they'll be asking.
My .02.....

B6mick · « **Reply #29 on:** July 24, 2007, 05:32:42 AM »

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I had a guy come in the yard about 2 weeks ago looking for a CDI box for a '05 or '06 Aprilia somethingorother. Seems that a lot of them had problems and the CDI's are on back order from Aprilia (and thus Bosch) and he's looking at ~4-6 MONTHS before they show up.

I just don't believe you guys up there haven't got guys who repair the bloody things like we do down here.
When the Fj1200 poohed its CDI black box, from the dealership with courier discount a brand new one was $900.00. A 2nd hand unit from the wrecking yard $450.00.
Rebuilt and fully checked with warranty $100.00 plus GST.