Getting Suzuki to bring the 2007 GSF1250 to the USA?

[solman]

What is funny is that i was thinking the same thing.

[KX5000]

I actually thought it looked alot like the old 6 cylinder Kawasaki, with 2 cylinders missing.(just the engine, not the bike)

[Red01]

"Rocketjock" said:
I kinda wonder why the big switch to water cooling. Doesn't oil cooling preserve an engine better?

Watercooling is more effecient. When this engine family made it's debut, it sported oil cooling instead of water cooling as a weight savings. The main reason, IMHO, for the switch now is because water cooling will enable them to control engine temp better and therefore comply with the tighter Euro 3 emissions regs. Suzuki had to either re-engine the Bandit line or drop them as the SACS motors probably couldn't comply with Euro 3.

[Old_n_Slow]

I was just thinking that with Kawasaki introducing the new Concours, that is going to have to cost 13K plus, if Suzuki put a bigger fairing, detachable bags and added a shaft drive to this new Bandit, AND kept the price around 9K, all the Connie owners, and there are a lot of them, who have been pleading to Kawasaki for these upgrades would finally have a reason to switch. Connie owners are cheap and they won't be going to the new bike because of cost. Those that would have already did to the FJR and ST 1300. Suzuki has a chance to grab a BIG niche market here.

[Red01]

"Old_n_Slow" sez:[/b]
...if Suzuki put a bigger fairing, detachable bags and added a shaft drive to this new Bandit, AND kept the price around 9K, all the Connie owners, and there are a lot of them, who have been pleading to Kawasaki for these upgrades would finally have a reason to switch. Connie owners are cheap and they won't be going to the new bike because of cost. Those that would have already did to the FJR and ST 1300. Suzuki has a chance to grab a BIG niche market here.

Heck, I'd even be one of them!

[H2RICK]

MCN (a Brit weekly motorcycle newspaper) recently had a pic of what they called a 2007 Bandit 1200 GT. It was an artist's rendering done with a computer program but based on a trial balloon floated (presumably) by Suzuki GB. It had a full fairing with the 3 hard bag setup but was otherwise an apparently stock G3 B12S. If the price was kept right (and it was easy enough to remove the fairing lowers/bellypan once you got it home) they just might have a winner.....and gain some switchover business from the Connie folks.
However, I cannot/cannot see the engine, as it currently is, meeting Euro '07 emissions. At a minimum, they'd have to go to fuel injection with catalyst and it would probably still be over Euro 3 limits.....probably/maybe.
I'm betting that we will get an entirely new bike that would LOOK somewhat like the G3 (as a means of keeping the "faithful" customer base intact) but it WILL be watercooled/injected/catalysed so it can once again be sold in the US. Some countries (possibly Canada among them) will get a non-catalyst version but it'll still be water cooled/injected.

No, the Bandit needs to take its place with all the great classics and die honorably and with dignity, not another face lift.

I agree with the Gunner....let the King die with dignity.
As usual, IMHO.....but your mileage may vary.  

[kevinfromrex]

I love the look, looks like my 2001 GSF600S. I have been looking for litre size bandit replacement for the 600.
At 130hp this bike would be equal to the Z1000 in power. I wonder about weight? The Z is kinda porky at 460 plus. I would prefer something a little less ( I realize at Bandit prices I cant get a 370 pound bike). The 919 Honda just didnt do it for me, about 100hp and very smooth, looking for more beast. The FZ-1 has fuel injection issues, otherwise a very quick bike, the quickest of the group. but not pretty.

The 07 GSF1250 bike looks great, I would buy now! ( Grand Blue please, same as my 01).

[Bezzer]

MCN (a Brit weekly motorcycle newspaper) recently had a pic of what they called a 2007 Bandit 1200 GT. It was an artist's rendering done with a computer program but based on a trial balloon floated (presumably) by Suzuki GB. It had a full fairing with the 3 hard bag setup but was otherwise an apparently stock G3 B12S.

It's a real bike not computer generated, it doesn't have fairing lowers, but does have a bellypan./ Available in the UK and other places, probably to get rid of the last oil cooled motors

http://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/article.asp?id=675

[LowRyter]

You can get a new FZ-1 for $9k.  This one should go for no more than $8k.  Should be less than an SV.  Maybe the same $7500 as the air cooled bike?  That is my guess anyway.  

I'd still like to know more about the engine architecture.  It is a water cooled version of the original engine, or a version of the 'Busa?  If it weighs like the current bike and has anopther 25hp & 10 lbs-ft...I'd be revved!  Sorry no alum frame or USD forks....but if it's sporty-sleeper, why not?  It's a BANDIT, man.  Why not blow a sporty bike away with a big ol' thumper?

I kind of like the Gen 3 bikes fetures with adjustable seat & bars.  Sporty, touring, poor man's Beemer & Hooligan bike- all in one!

I hope they have it at the next Cycle World Show in Nov!

I was just thinking that with Kawasaki introducing the new Concours, that is going to have to cost 13K plus, if Suzuki put a bigger fairing, detachable bags and added a shaft drive to this new Bandit, AND kept the price around 9K, all the Connie owners, and there are a lot of them, who have been pleading to Kawasaki for these upgrades would finally have a reason to switch. Connie owners are cheap and they won't be going to the new bike because of cost. Those that would have already did to the FJR and ST 1300. Suzuki has a chance to grab a BIG niche market here.

[LowRyter]

geeesss  It looks just like Craig's Gen 1 bike.  (GT Bandit)

Black Bandit with Givi Cases.  

MCN (a Brit weekly motorcycle newspaper) recently had a pic of what they called a 2007 Bandit 1200 GT. It was an artist's rendering done with a computer program but based on a trial balloon floated (presumably) by Suzuki GB. It had a full fairing with the 3 hard bag setup but was otherwise an apparently stock G3 B12S.

It's a real bike not computer generated, it doesn't have fairing lowers, but does have a bellypan./ Available in the UK and other places, probably to get rid of the last oil cooled motors

http://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/article.asp?id=675

[LowRyter]

I just did a tranlation of this from French.....the translation program calls it a  Suzuki "Gangster".........LMAO

'07...



You don't like it?

[LowRyter]

Suzuki Gangster 1250 NR and Bandit 1250 S
Price: approx. 8.000 €/8.300 €
Availability: March/April 2007

Like Gangster 650, his older sister evolves/moves deeply this year by inheriting a very new driving block whose cubic capacity increases by 98 Cm3 to reach exactly 1.255 Cm3 (against 1.157 Cm3 before). It will thus be necessary to be done there, the “twelve” becomes “twelve fifty” Gangster and sees his famous extrapolated engine of the “old” GSX-R 1.100 replaced by a more modern block with liquid cooling. Shorter, in particular thanks to the vertical positioning of the box shafts, it now has six speeds (five before), associated an ordering of fluid clutch. The ground clearance is less the priority on this type of motor bike, its alternator thus returns in end of crankshaft in order to decrease the losses by friction (due to the drive of the old model placed behind the block-cylinder). The value of boring remains the same one (either the diameter of the piston, 79 mm) but the race increases by 5 mm to reach 64 Misters the valves (diam. 31 mm with the admission and 27 mm with the exhaust) form a tighter angle between them (16°), which made it possible “to compact” the cylinder head and the combustion chambers, with with final better mixing of the mixture. There still, the slope of carburettors disappears with the profit from a food by injection more adapted to the standards from our time, Euros 3 since 2007! Besides a system of injection of air in the exhaust makes it possible to limit polluting gases. Remain that this profit of cubic capacity should guarantee a level of high torque and a higher power on almost all the beach of mode if one believes the first curves of the manufacturer of them. The driving character of the large Japanese roadster should thus nothing lose in the operation, hope for it in any case!

[LowRyter]

8000 euros.....that's about $7200 !

I'm stoked, other than the alternator hanging on the side of the motor.  

bting it to Cycle World Show Suzuki.

[LowRyter]

98 Cm3 and 10 kg additional
Logically heavier, this new engine influences directly the gauge of the motor bike, which takes it also a few additional kilos to reach 225 kg in version S (against 215 kg before). The general design and the geometry are completely unchanged compared to last year, even the footing is identical except for the millimetre (1 480 mm). But the diameter of the tubes of framework increases in order to increase its rigidity. Screw-locking device, suspensions and tires are also taken again preceding year there (the shock absorber losing still its adjustment of relaxation). Side equipment, the 1250 inherits the adjustable saddle in height (+ 20 mm) but the handlebar remains fixed. Let us note all the same a tiny increase height of saddle (+ 5 mm). Aesthetic side, one finds the small evolutions quoted as a preliminary for the 650. ABS is also available in option. The prices of the two versions proposed (NR and S) could however increase slightly with the arrival of this new motor unit. Response to the first quarter 2007…

By Julien Metrop - Mecamix


 

Suzuki Gangster 1250 NR (Gangster 1250 S)
The chart:
Engine: Four-cylinder-in-line, 4 times
Distribution: double ACT, 4 valves/cyl.
Cubic capacity: 1.255 Cm3
Boring X race: 79 X 64
Compression ratio: 10.5: 1
Cooling: liquid
Food: electronic injection (diam. 36 mm)
Clutch: multidisk in bath of oil, hydraulic control
Final transmission: chain (43x18)
Box: 6 speeds
Tally: double steel cradle
Suspensions before: hydraulic telescopic fork, diam. 43 mm; adjustable in preload; back: hydraulic, adjustable mono-shock absorber in prestressing
Brake before: double disc diam. 310 mm, clamps four opposite pistons; back: simple disc diam. 240 mm, clamp two pistons; ABS in option
Tire before: 120/70 X 17; back: 180/55 X 17
Tank: 19 liters
L X L X H: 2.130 X 790 X 1.095 (1 225) mm
Footing: 1.480 mm
Height of saddle: 790/810 mm
Dry weight: 222 kg (225 kg)


the chart shows it has no more power than the oil cooled bike but makes the power at fewer RPMs.

[PaulVS]

Umm... Nevermind.  

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Products/GSF1250SAK7/Default.aspx