Author Topic: 442 big bore  (Read 10913 times)

Offline Garyola

  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 250
    • http://www.mulcahey.com
442 big bore
« on: April 15, 2007, 03:17:35 PM »
Hi guys.
I just thought I'd start a thread for my foray into Jay's big bore  kit. I'll keep updating my experiences with in this thread.

I was going to assemble the whole thing myself but decided to get my heads and valves done at the same time as I had the jugs bored. So I had the shop put the thing together for me for the extra few hundred. Safe than sorry.

So I've had the heads rebuilt and bead blasted, new valve sleeves, and the valves all re-cut. The cams are getting put in as I write this and I'm picking the engine up later today or 1st thing in the morning.
I'm having this work done by Pro6 Cycle in Toronto. Pro6 is one of the top race shops in Canada. They build motors for some of the best racers in Canada and I have been dealing with them since the early 90s. I trust them with my stuff.

Sandy is the main man and owner there and has raced 250gp in the US and Canada. He knows his stuff.
Sandy explained to me what this big bore will actually do to the power of the B4. He said my actual hp will go up only marginally but the rise in torque will be quite noticeable.  He said as an example if the bike was say 50hp before the big bore that the hp should go up to about 52-54 but the extra torque I will gain, will give me that peak hp sooner and longer in the rev range. He said this translates into about a 10+/- hp gain throughout.  :bigok:  This is all good! I hope I explained this correctly. I'm just trying to remember what he said. But this all depends on where it was to begin with and I will try to get it on a dyno at some point. If I had 55hp to start, the bike will gain say about 10hp with the torque, that puts me in the 60-65 range. That is all I wanted. :bandit:

I'm putting the new engine in the bike this week and will be on the track breaking it in on April 22nd which is next Sunday.

I'll keep you all posted.

G

Offline gsxr400 racer

  • I find things for a small fee....
  • Site Supporters
  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 3344
    • For all your disc golf needs...maybe i can race again someday.lol
442 big bore
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2007, 03:58:42 PM »
Wonderfull :congrats:
1988 gsxr 400 sp (sprint bike)
*  SELLER OF THE 442CC BIG BORE PISTON KIT FOR THE BANDIT 400,GSXR400, GK73 and 76.* And carb kits(orings)too. Email me from here.
has been a wera expert #610 lol

Offline PitterB4

  • Administrator
  • Board Homesteader!
  • *****
  • Posts: 3698
442 big bore
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2007, 08:59:30 PM »
Way cool, Gary.   Please do keep us posted.  So, you never had it on the dyno to give you the "before" number?
Rob
Bikeless!
'93 Bandit 400 - SOLD
'98 Honda F3 Track Bike - SOLD
'98 Kawi ZX-6R Street Bike - SOLD
NESBA #87 - RETIRED
'00 Gary Fisher Kaitai
'09 Bianchi Via Nirone 7

Offline gsxr400 racer

  • I find things for a small fee....
  • Site Supporters
  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 3344
    • For all your disc golf needs...maybe i can race again someday.lol
442 big bore
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2007, 11:23:54 PM »
This is a typical dyno chart of a 400 even though its a newer gsxr still has similar engine Gary is he degree-ing your cams?



Here is one with 33mm flat slides like i have quite a big difference.

1988 gsxr 400 sp (sprint bike)
*  SELLER OF THE 442CC BIG BORE PISTON KIT FOR THE BANDIT 400,GSXR400, GK73 and 76.* And carb kits(orings)too. Email me from here.
has been a wera expert #610 lol

Offline interfuse

  • Site Supporters
  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 1336
442 big bore
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2007, 01:39:03 AM »
Good luck. Hopefully the weather will be nice by the 22nd.
Mike

'91 GSF400
It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.

Offline Garyola

  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 250
    • http://www.mulcahey.com
442 big bore
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2007, 09:49:13 AM »
I have not had it on the dyno. There was no point. I know the bike is slow and I was even slower. :grin: I've improved.

What does "degree the cams" mean?


G

Offline gsxr400 racer

  • I find things for a small fee....
  • Site Supporters
  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 3344
    • For all your disc golf needs...maybe i can race again someday.lol
442 big bore
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2007, 01:10:33 PM »
read this or just google motorcycle cam degreeing
http://www.webcamshafts.com/
1988 gsxr 400 sp (sprint bike)
*  SELLER OF THE 442CC BIG BORE PISTON KIT FOR THE BANDIT 400,GSXR400, GK73 and 76.* And carb kits(orings)too. Email me from here.
has been a wera expert #610 lol

Offline Herr Tod

  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 489
442 big bore
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2007, 06:47:53 PM »
Here's another dyno chart. I got this one from 'Börger' on the German Bandit forum. This is a restricted 54 HP West-Germany model. It's restricted by rings that are moulded into the carburator covers, they prevent the throttle slide from opening the last 5 mm.


Offline gsxr400 racer

  • I find things for a small fee....
  • Site Supporters
  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 3344
    • For all your disc golf needs...maybe i can race again someday.lol
442 big bore
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2007, 06:51:37 PM »
Well that seems to be the common number for alot of them 55hp
1988 gsxr 400 sp (sprint bike)
*  SELLER OF THE 442CC BIG BORE PISTON KIT FOR THE BANDIT 400,GSXR400, GK73 and 76.* And carb kits(orings)too. Email me from here.
has been a wera expert #610 lol

Offline Thief400

  • Site Supporters
  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 378
    • http://www.members.shaw.ca/cgard
442 big bore
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2007, 08:44:29 PM »
Quote from: "gsxr400 racer"
Well that seems to be the common number for alot of them 55hp

Not mine   hehehe  :stickpoke:

Offline gsxr400 racer

  • I find things for a small fee....
  • Site Supporters
  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 3344
    • For all your disc golf needs...maybe i can race again someday.lol
442 big bore
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2007, 09:01:55 PM »
well its been years and i still havent seen a dyno chart from your bike :stickpoke:
1988 gsxr 400 sp (sprint bike)
*  SELLER OF THE 442CC BIG BORE PISTON KIT FOR THE BANDIT 400,GSXR400, GK73 and 76.* And carb kits(orings)too. Email me from here.
has been a wera expert #610 lol

Offline GooseMan

  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 334
    • http://www.soundwerksaudio.com
442 big bore
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2007, 09:39:15 PM »
seems like a pretty flat torque curve....and pretty good torque....not bad!
1991 Bandit 400

Offline JmuRiz

  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 217
442 big bore
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2007, 05:30:58 PM »
Cool can't wait to hear a first-person account of the difference the kit makes.

*hopefully it's not much, so I won't want to save to buy one, haha*
Nathan

'91 GSF 400
'90 FZR 400
'65 Ducati Falcon 80

Offline gsxr400 racer

  • I find things for a small fee....
  • Site Supporters
  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 3344
    • For all your disc golf needs...maybe i can race again someday.lol
442 big bore
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2007, 10:58:00 AM »
hope all is well Gary good luck tomorrow
cheers
jay
1988 gsxr 400 sp (sprint bike)
*  SELLER OF THE 442CC BIG BORE PISTON KIT FOR THE BANDIT 400,GSXR400, GK73 and 76.* And carb kits(orings)too. Email me from here.
has been a wera expert #610 lol

Offline interfuse

  • Site Supporters
  • Board Homesteader!
  • ***
  • Posts: 1336
442 big bore
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2007, 11:23:32 AM »
Way to pick 'em. It's supposed to be 20-21 degrees celsius (70 degrees fahrenheit) and sunny on sunday.
Mike

'91 GSF400
It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.