Author Topic: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.  (Read 34535 times)

Offline mpatrick

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2012, 08:36:45 PM »
You do have a point.

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #61 on: February 27, 2012, 01:12:24 PM »
Well the carbs are coming off for a third time. I have fuel bypassing the needle valve, and into the crankcase. I was gonna go ahead and re-jet this time. Is it bad to rejet without doing anything else? I will eventually get exhaust, etc. What I'm asking is can I run it re-jetted on stock stuff without doing harm . I just bought the jets not a kit. 127.5 main 35 pilot.

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #62 on: February 27, 2012, 08:16:20 PM »
Well if you want to re-jet it just make sure you're using an aftermarket can with mid-pipe. The Dan Moto "me luv you long time" specials are probably your most economical option. If you jet it with the stock pipe on there it will be horridly rich. THis is the standard stage 1 for the first gen Bandits, maybe someone that owns a first gen can pipe up to confirm but this will get you close:


Aftermarket can with mid-pipe
127.5 mains
2" hole in the airbox lid
K&N filter
1 or 2 radio shack shims

As far as the needle valves needing attention I believe they are about $10-$20 each or so at least on the GEN2, they should be something similar on your bike. Is it only one carb thats leaking?

You can order them from these guys:

www.bikebandit.com
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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #63 on: February 27, 2012, 08:20:14 PM »
I think you can get by without the midpipe, you'll need the slip-on & 2in hole.
John L

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #64 on: February 27, 2012, 08:47:05 PM »
I'm not sure if it's one or more leaking. When I was syncing the carbs I was using the tank as my auxiliary and had the petcock on pri and there was fuel pouring out of the overflow. After I was done I checked the oil and it had a strong gas smell, and it was over full. I flushed the oil and filter, the next day I rode it for a while and then checked the oil it didn't smell gas. I figured it was the plunger on the needle so I ordered some rebuild kits. I was gonna rejet while it was apart but I guess I will wait until I have some more cash for exhaust. I'm just getting tired of taking the carbs on and off so many times. I am getting pretty fast at now though.

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2012, 12:14:08 AM »
I would get the mid-pipe. Since that is like %60 of the restriction on the bike. If you don't and just get an end can it will like putting a trumpet on the end of a drinking straw. Sure it might be slightly better but you're not getting the full effect. Considering a Dan Moto exhaust comes with a mid-pipe and costs less than most end cans there is really no reason not to get one. Hell if you wanted to you could just buy a high quality can to go onto the Dan moto mid-pipe later like some other guy here did.

If you don't I guarentee you those jets will be too rich. You might want to get some 125's or 122.5's if you don't put the mid-pipe on there, and you'll lose 5-7 hp. Before you buy the needle valves make sure you need them. Putting the bike on prime is letting the fuel flow full blast, it may have just overwhelmed the carbs. I usually get a 2 litre coke bottle and put maybe a half litre of gas in it. Then I poke a hole in the top and tilt the bottle up every minute or so with a tube feeding into the fuel line. That way your not flooding the carbs when syncing.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2012, 07:36:11 AM by rider123 »
2005 Bandit 1200, Modified Holeshot Stage 1 with 17.5 pilots 2.75 turns out, and 110 mains 5 shims. Muzzy Slip on w/mid-pipe, stock filter. 1.5" hole in the airbox lid.

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #66 on: February 28, 2012, 10:07:11 AM »
Well I already bought everything, its no big deal I'll need everything eventually. I want to agree with you, about the needle valves it just makes sense. I was looking at the dan moto stuff it's such a good price but it seems so loud. I wonder how much of a difference the db killer makes, I'm sure the triangular one is quieter but I don't like the way it looks. Anybody use the Delkevic exhaust, they seem like they would be quieter with the added length.

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #67 on: February 28, 2012, 05:55:47 PM »
The delkelvic exhausts might be quieter. I have a Muzzy that seems like it's a sport touring model it's so long it's not too loud at all. Especially since I re-packed it last year. I only PAID $150 for it plus shipping. Maybe you could find the same one or something similar. It's nothing special but it's plain looking and doesn't have fancy doo-dads all over it which is fine for me and it came with a centre stand stop piece.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2012, 05:58:25 PM by rider123 »
2005 Bandit 1200, Modified Holeshot Stage 1 with 17.5 pilots 2.75 turns out, and 110 mains 5 shims. Muzzy Slip on w/mid-pipe, stock filter. 1.5" hole in the airbox lid.

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #68 on: March 09, 2012, 11:01:08 AM »
UPDATE:

I know everyone is on the edge of their seats for this. I have been riding the bike almost everyday for the past couple of weeks. It's running pretty good, the idle is still a little lumpy but it pulls and the flat spots are very minor now. My secondary clutch problem has been fixed, it was a leaky fitting at the slave. I am gonna pull the plugs tonight or tomorrow and see what they say as far as rich/lean. I will post pics for advice.

I have also done some cosmetic / comfort modifications to the bike as well. I've gone naked and changed the bars to renthal ultralows. The bars made a world of difference as far as handling goes I feel much more confident while riding now. The extra width of the bars really help me as well I felt too crowded with the stockers, I'm not the smallest guy around. Messed around with front and rear preload and found a combo that works for me. Going naked wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was gonna be, maybe just because every other bike I have owned has been naked, ( harley, 80's kz650) now I never really rode them as hard or far as I do with the bandit. But I feel ok without any wind protection even at 110mph.

I also bought an exhaust from delkevic that should arrive on mon or tues. I gonna give it a go with out jetting and see how it goes, I'm still waiting on my rebuild kits to arrive and I dont want to go into the carbs until I have those, I know some o-rings need to be replaced.

here is the exhaust I bought http://www.ebay.com/itm/290610217372?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_3730wt_1397
« Last Edit: March 09, 2012, 11:03:33 AM by mpatrick »

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #69 on: March 09, 2012, 01:21:23 PM »
Thats an awsome looking pipe man! and comes with the mid-pipe you should be happy with it. You can carb sync it the poor mans way and that will fix up the idle/weird running for like $5 in clear tubing.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2012, 01:37:05 PM by rider123 »
2005 Bandit 1200, Modified Holeshot Stage 1 with 17.5 pilots 2.75 turns out, and 110 mains 5 shims. Muzzy Slip on w/mid-pipe, stock filter. 1.5" hole in the airbox lid.

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #70 on: March 09, 2012, 01:29:12 PM »
I did the poor mans sync finally and the idle is still lumpy. Better than it was but not perfect, it's gonna being raining all weekend so I might try it again.

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #71 on: March 09, 2012, 01:39:19 PM »
yeah no worries, if you're going to take the carbs off anyway once the new seals are on there it may clean up and be easier to sync anyway, you might have some slight leakage of gas in a cylinder or two which makes syncing a little weird. I'm going to sync the rest of the carbs this weekend as I could only do 2 as I didn't have some bent needle nose for those stupid vacuum nipples.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2012, 01:59:24 PM by rider123 »
2005 Bandit 1200, Modified Holeshot Stage 1 with 17.5 pilots 2.75 turns out, and 110 mains 5 shims. Muzzy Slip on w/mid-pipe, stock filter. 1.5" hole in the airbox lid.

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #72 on: March 12, 2012, 10:50:24 AM »
WARNING PICS HUGE!!


Pulled the plugs they look about right to me maybe a little rich. Changed the dirty air filter to see if that helps. I just got an oem style replacement, no k&n.

#1


#2


#3


#4


What do you guys think?

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #73 on: March 12, 2012, 02:07:13 PM »
You're running a bit rich, best out of the set is number 2 and 4. See how there is a lighter bit to the base ring? Thats how they should look, it needs one full turn of colour like that. Since the electrodes are pretty clean I'd say your rich down low. Try a quarter turn in on the pilots and a good carb sync and see how it goes. The reason it's lumpy is number 1 is super rich down low(sooty base ring and electrode tip) and the rest are fairly even though 4 is a bit lazy. A carb sync will help if any of the other cylinders aren't pulling their weight. Turn the screws in 1/4 turn and sync that should lean it out enough to get rid of the soot and even the pulling of the cylinders. Number 1 is basically doing most of the work and dragging the other cylinders along for the ride. So you get an abnormally stong push from number 1 cylinder then a weak ass push from the other cylinders so I'm assuming your bike would be like lumpity-lumpity-lump like a Harley than a smooth inline four. Maybe double check the float height on number 1 cylinder. If its good and it's still rich you can lean it out a tad by either turning in the mixture screw on that cylinder in or raising the float height a mm or so so it's not overfuelling. But before any float adjustments, turn the mixture screws in a 1/4 turn and do a good sync. It will probably unitize the cylinders a bit better.

When you're doing a sync concentrate on pairs. Do 1 and 2, then 3 and 4, then adjust the centre adjuster to sync the pairs together. Also once you have a pair synced give it a good wack on the throttle and let the throttle snap back to idle a few times so that it seats the adjusters on the stops then check again. You don't want it wandering after you've put the bike back together.


What jets(pilot, main) are you running and how many turns out are you on the mixture screws? Shims?
« Last Edit: March 12, 2012, 02:31:25 PM by rider123 »
2005 Bandit 1200, Modified Holeshot Stage 1 with 17.5 pilots 2.75 turns out, and 110 mains 5 shims. Muzzy Slip on w/mid-pipe, stock filter. 1.5" hole in the airbox lid.

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Re: 2000 1200S Clutch problems, carb problems, etc.
« Reply #74 on: March 12, 2012, 02:34:52 PM »
My jets are stock 102.5 main 37.5 pilot, 1 radio shack shim and 3 turns out. I do have stage 1 jets waiting in the wings right now, just waiting on the rebuild kits still.

I did another sync yesterday and I was only really able to put about a 32nd-64th of a turn on anything, they were all pretty good, throttle blips and all.

I should have my exhaust today, do you think i should still turn them in or just leave it as is right now.