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Offline China Greg

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CHAIN wear & sprocket alignment
« on: December 28, 2017, 06:59:47 PM »
First Gen 1200's

...seem to have a DESIGN flaw.
I was having chain wear issues...only getting 5-8000 miles on a chain. There was also a lot of sprocket-chain CLATTERING noise, especially at the rear sprocket.
 
I tried a few things... finally discovered:

1) the chain adjustment marks were off by ONE FULL MARK. (I used a Motion Pro chain alignment tool to find this).

2) there is an inherent weakness in the rear axle assembly line-up... the SPACER that sits inside the sprocket carrier, fits between the inner wheel bearing and the outer wheel spacer (left side) gets PUMMELED, especially when the alignment marks are not perfect. the END FACE looks like someone hit it with a flat hammer repeatedly.
What this ends up doing is allowing a WOBBLE in the whole carrier, even when the axle is tightened down. So, when the chain is yanked forward, the entire sprocket will PULL to one side, causing a front to rear sprocket mis-alignment... causes a clattering noise (the chain wants to hang-up going over the front sprocket)... and you'll get excessive wear on one side of the sprocket only... and the chain won't last so long.

The reason I know this is a factory design flaw is because they CHANGED the rear carrier..and spacer.. on the 2nd Gen GSF's.

Keep an eye out for this when you change your tires: pull the carrier off the wheel hub (you should replace those rubber biscuits regularly anyway), and pull that center spacer out... look for signs the end has flat denting.

I'm bypassing all this by replacing EVERYTHING in the swingarm area.. including the swingarm.. with 2nd Gen parts: anything that changed part number, I'm swapping it out. Hopefully, this will give me all the benefits of the 2nd Gen factory design improvements.

But short of that, just make sure your rear sprocket carrier isn't LOOSE: grab it at three o'clock and nine o'clock and try to wobble it in and out. If you get PLAY, you'll now know why.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2017, 07:03:24 PM by China Greg »
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Re: CHAIN wear & sprocket alignment
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2018, 11:19:52 PM »
Interesting, I never noticed any wear on the inner spacer.  Was it in the right way?
Dave...
2004 Bandit 1200S (>92k miles; lotsa mods; SOLD)
2002 Bandit 1200 (>13k miles; more mods)
1997 Bandit 1200 (>3k miles; most mods)
2005 Ducati Monster S4R (>48k miles; ditto)
2003 Triumph Speed Triple (SOLD)
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Re: CHAIN wear & sprocket alignment
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2018, 10:27:10 AM »
yes, it was in mounted correctly... but for some reason the chain adjuster marks were off but one full mark.. which I only lately discovered, and my guess is that every time I cinched-down the axle, that spacer was taking the abuse of being out of perpendicular, and the faces got flattened at an angle.

As I wrote, I've recently switched everything (swingarm) over to 2nd Gen... it's about 7mm wider inside between the arms, and Suzuki must have made that change for a reason. I'm hoping to reap the benefits. My Hyperpro rear shock (love it) has just been rebuilt and is on the way back in the mail.... this will be the first opportunity for me to test the new set up. Psyched.

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Re: CHAIN wear & sprocket alignment
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2018, 10:09:21 PM »
yes, it was in mounted correctly... but for some reason the chain adjuster marks were off but one full mark.. which I only lately discovered, and my guess is that every time I cinched-down the axle, that spacer was taking the abuse of being out of perpendicular, and the faces got flattened at an angle.

As I wrote, I've recently switched everything (swingarm) over to 2nd Gen... it's about 7mm wider inside between the arms, and Suzuki must have made that change for a reason. I'm hoping to reap the benefits. My Hyperpro rear shock (love it) has just been rebuilt and is on the way back in the mail.... this will be the first opportunity for me to test the new set up. Psyched.

HEY RDU... please check for a PM

Gotcha!  I've been told to look out for those marks on the swingarm, and have been using a laser alignment tool for several years.

I sent you a message via email...check your email!!   :thumb:
Dave...
2004 Bandit 1200S (>92k miles; lotsa mods; SOLD)
2002 Bandit 1200 (>13k miles; more mods)
1997 Bandit 1200 (>3k miles; most mods)
2005 Ducati Monster S4R (>48k miles; ditto)
2003 Triumph Speed Triple (SOLD)
2013 Yamaha FJR1300 (5k miles)
IBA Member #28454