Scorpion Half Helmet

[rkfire]

Well, he fell over at a standstill, at a height lower than if he were standing, so, I would imagine him falling down while standing would certainly kill him quickly.

Of course, that story comes from a cop, that heard it from a friend, of a friend etc..

[solman]

Well, he fell over at a standstill, at a height lower than if he were standing, so, I would imagine him falling down while standing would certainly kill him quickly.

Of course, that story comes from a cop, that heard it from a friend, of a friend etc..

No, he was on scene. Why would you assume, the "heard it from a friend, of a friend etc.."?

[rkfire]

Doesn't matter, it really doesn't even have anything to do with a bike, other than he was sitting on one. Freakish accidents can happen anywhere. It's just hard to imagine someone falling over from a sitting height and die from it.

[solman]

he slipped on some oil and fell sideways.

Like I said, he slipped on some oil when he put his foot down.  It ain't hard to believe, I had a similar incident where I started riding again back in 96.  I put my foot down and slipped.  regardless, I must admit, a half helmet, bicycyle helmet, etc is better than nothing at all. 

[rkfire]

Geesh, it's not hard to believe someone slipped on oil and fell over. The amazing part is someone would die from it.

[Heyu]

Whats harder for me personally to believe is some peoples attitude toward helmet use even in Canada where helmet use is law we have people who think it's an infringement of their rights. I personally will not ride without one. I always wear a full face, even when I go out on my son's RM I wear my old Shoie dirtbike helmet even though it's 22 years old. I have never won a half helet so cannot comment on what they would be like however I have seen guy's with roadrash on their face from a small 20 km/hr fall not pretty.
 I realize that this may open a can of worms but think of this you only need to hit you're head once to sustain serious head trauma that not only will affect you, but you're family and friends as well.
 How many of us have gone down and when we got back up checked ourselves out to find that there is a gouge on you're helmet and you think to you'reself wow I didn't know I'd hit my head.

[CWO4GUNNER]

When Christopher Reeve broke his neck it was due to his hands caught in the reins of the horse which prevented him from placing his hands in front of his body to brake the initial fall, an instinctive move that protects us from breaking our neck. Now with the wide spread use of full face helmets in motocross and endure the predominant life threatening injury is broken neck death or paraplegic/quadriplegic injury especially since the helmet prevents the breaking bones in your face from absorbing the impact, the neck bends. So now they are recommending all motorcycle riders track, street and MX wear the motorcycle neck collar to help prevent spinal cord injury or decapitation which has a high likelihood of occurring in a face or head first fall especially in heaver adults but not so much young kids or teens. All that wight of 200 pounds bends the neck on the slippery helmet impact and snaps the neck spinal cord like a small twig. Here is the device which I have but rarely wear as it feels too restrictive. So I figure when I do wear a half face or bicycle helmet my skidding face acting like an eraser and impacting facial bones crunching under my 230 pound body will cushion and prevent a spinal cord injury.

[rkfire]

Whats harder for me personally to believe is some peoples attitude toward helmet use even in Canada where helmet use is law we have people who think it's an infringement of their rights. I personally will not ride without one.

I also believe helmet LAWS are an infringement, seatbelt laws too (at least for the driver). I think you said it well when you said "I personally will not ride without one". If it were your choice, you'd wear them.

LIke I said, on higher speed, longer rides, I wear a full face helmet. I'd feel naked without it on. During those really HOT days in the summer, to ride down to the beach on 25-30mph roads, eh, too damn hot. Having said that, I'm still going to try out a shorty helmet and see how that is on hot rides.

[CWO4GUNNER]

Well you know those Harley's are heavy with allot of thick billet parts on the side. It's very possible he could have been leaning over too far and looking down at his suicide shifter and the bike fell on him. There are numerous stories of people getting trapped beneath their Harley's so it could be possible.

[ippo]

How many people die in usa by riding motorbike?(one year)
In finland number is about 20.

[Heyu]

Lots Ippo Lots

[solman]

How many people die in usa by riding motorbike?(one year)
In finland number is about 20.

Here is a list that I found on motorcycle deaths per year in the States.

1997—2,116
1998—2,294
1999—2,483
2000—2,897
2001—3,197 (some NHTSA lists show 3,181)
2002—3,244
2003—3,661 (some NHTSA lists show 3,714)
2004—4,008
2005—4,553

[ippo]

Finland 1  USA 3,75 If this proportion to population.
Ok you have longer summers.

[rkfire]

What is the point though? Those numbers don't indicate whether they wore a helmet or not, if they did what type, or whether the death was due to head trauma, and if it was head trauma, could the person have survived if wearing one.

America's high death rate on the highways is high for car drivers too! Maybe there is something wrong with the level of skill, the training, the enforcement, and curtesy on the road. Maybe there is something wrong when a 16 year old can walk into a dealer and buy a Hayabusa etc.

[CWO4GUNNER]

Here is the European Motorcycle Accident Database